Showing posts with label storage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label storage. Show all posts

Wednesday, December 30, 2020

Cheap Gloomhaven Storage Organiser options

As well as painting and playing Warhammer, our gaming group likes to play boardgames and try different systems. We have at least one "serious" boardgame addict collector who (luckily for us!) has some great games, so I've had the opportunity to try games like Lords of Waterdeep, Pandemic, Zombicide and Dead of Winter. I've also collected a few different games such as X-Wing and Dust Tactics, While other friends own games like Werewolf.

Enjoying all these different games led me to recently order Gloomhaven, as it brings together several different themes that I really like:
  • Miniatures.
  • Tactical combat.
  • A new fantasy world (Gloomhaven avoids many of the races you see is "Standard" fantasy).
  • A role-playing/ story experience.
..and lots and lots and lots of bits and pieces in the box!

If you don't know Gloomhaven, the first thing to know is that it was released in 2017 or so and immediately took the boardgame community by storm thanks to its huge amount of content and mix of game mechanics. Many have said that it isn't necessarily innovative, but that it brings together many different mechanics into one smooth package. It is also a "Legacy" game, meaning that it is intended to be played through as a campaign once, and then finished. Game characters will level up and retire, while other new ones will be introduced as part of the story. (You can play the game again of course, but you just need to bear this in mind as you go through, thinking about when to not use stickers or rip up cards that are used.)

The second thing to know is that this game is HUGE. The box is huge (about 10Kg), the story is huge (100+ hour campaign?) and the amount of stuff used is...HUGE difficult to manage!

Here is what you get:
  • 723 Standard sized cards (2.5" x 3.5") 
  • 975 Mini Euro sized cards (44mm x 68mm) 
  • 18 miniatures 
...and many thick card floor tiles, obstacles, traps, terrain and more. For this reason a whole industry has sprung up of Gloomhaven box "organizers". These are often MDF kits (some assembly required) that fit into the original box and keep all of the pieces together. The benefit of this is that setup of a game can be reduced from more than 30 minutes laying stuff out to just a few minutes. 

The downside is the cost. 

Although there are many variants and manufacturers, the nicest ones are 60~90 US dollars. At the higher end that is almost as much as you might pay for the game itself. At the very reasonable end is something like the excellent Y.A.S.S (Yet Another Storage Solution), full information for which you'll find on Board Game Geek. YASS uses Plano boxes/ tackle boxes and users have created inserts to help the user find the monsters. 

As I'd just spent more than 100 dollars for the game, I didn't have any spare cash for a nice organizer. So, inspired by YASS I headed over to a 100 Yen shop (I live in Tokyo) to see what I can find.

I quickly realized that directly copying YASS wouldn't work as the storage options on display were different. However when in the store a Google search led me to a Japanese Gloomhaven site that really helped me. Hats off to "Shiro's Boardgame Room" and the excellent post there on using 100 Yen goods to organize his set (without this post I would have been lost and much more trial and error involved.) If you don't read Japanese my variation on the ideas there are below:

What did I get?
  • x2 boxes for monster tokens.
  • x1 large overlay tile and stands box (2 and 3 tile overlays like obstacles, tables etc.)
  • x1 status token box (11 spaces, with movable divisions.)
  • x2 "Medal Case 36" boxes (the Japanese name) for single tokens/ tiles. (18.6 x 14.2 x 1.6)
  • x3 Pill box sets for wound/ status tokens and kitbashing spaces. (3 small "snap shut" boxes in each set) - These are actually used in the Monster Tokens box as subdividers.
  • A4 label paper printing stickers (x5 sheets). For organizing monsters and tokens.
  • x2 Packs of drawer organizers for dividing the box and cards
Below, I'll go through these one by one. The dimensions are provided, but if you have something within a couple of millimeters you should be fine.

x2 Boxes for Monster Tokens:

(23.2 x 17.0 x 3.7)




As you can see, these boxes actually have 15 compartments and then I used the pill boxes to subdivide the larger compartment at the top into a further three. This allowed me to store more monsters. NOT perfectly in alphabetical order though, as some monsters can only be accommodated in certain areas of the box. Still I think this will help. (See below for more information on pill boxes).

x1 Large Overlay tiles and Stands Box

(23.3 x 17.0 x 3.4)
This used the "Sicari 10" mentioned earlier, which has ten slots. I used this for the larger overlay tiles and monster and character stands. You can see in the second picture below that I made one cut to allow the large x3 tile "Hot coals" tile to fit in snugly.



x1 Status Token Box

(19.9 x 13.4 x 3.7)
This includes a variety of tiles that wouldn't fit elsewhere (e.g. treasure) and all the various status tokens like Poison, Strengthen, Wounded, etc.


X2 Single Tile Boxes

(18.6 x 14.2 x 1.6)
The x2 "Medal" case boxes are perfect for keeping single tiles and summon tracker tokens safe. They are also slim.

Pill Boxes

(11.4 x 6.4 x 3.4)

I bought x3 of these, as they are so useful. You can cut each up into x3 smaller individual boxes, or use them as a set of three. I used x1 set of three as an overflow to store anything that wouldn't go anywhere else. Here is an image:


A4 label printing paper

I found some "Old parchment" style images on Google, imported these into a Word processor (I use the excellent and free LibreOffice - give it a try!) then added some text using a font I found here called "FairyDust". This is an OpenDocument format (ODT) that you can download here from Google Drive. ODT files should open in later versions of M.S. Word (or download LibreOffice!)



Using the same system I created a table in the document, customized it, and added monster names as alphabetically as possible, highlighting the letters to help me find monsters more easily for scenario setups. I then printed and cut these out and stuck them on the inside of the box lid.

Drawer organisers to divide box

Finally, I also used "drawer organisers" to help me divide up the space in the Gloomhaven box and allow vertical storage and separate of cards. Originally designed to help you tidy up your desk drawer, there are supremely flexible. They come in packs, which you simply break up to the size you want, then slot together.


Here you can see how I organised my Gloomhaven box using these:


...all together now!

So here is how everything fits together. If I include the rulebook and scenario book the box will close, but not quite all the way. It is about a centimeter or so from the bottom of the box. Good enough (IMHO).

1: Core content and cards with drawer organisers

2. Left:  x2 Monster token and x1 large tile overlay boxes

3. Added x1 Status token box and x1 Pill box 

4. x2 "Medal boxes" with Single Tile overlays

5. All map tiles inserted


Voila! Even if you can't get the exact same materials I did, I hope this will provide a few ideas for approaches that you can apply to your Gloomhaven box.

Thanks for reading.

:-)

Saturday, February 6, 2016

Games Workshop Crusade Case



After some years getting back into the hobby, I've been finding the urge to tidy up my tiny workspace and better organize my armies for storage or battle. 

As mentioned before, I have a variety of storage options, from GW (the old, flat cases) to Battlefoam (Pack 1520 - no longer in production) to recently throwing together some homebrew solutions (plastic boxes stacked and transported in a suitcase). 

For a previous storage wars post, I asked people to share how they store their miniatures. Here is the updated information as of the other day:



After 187 votes the results, in order of popularity:
  1. DIY/ Made it myself: 36%
  2. Games Workshop: 27%
  3. KR Multicase: 16%
  4. Battlefoam: 15%
  5. Sabol Designs: 6%

This Christmas, I decided to try out the new GW cases. The army I have wanted to tidy up has to be my Black Templars. They have a good mix of infantry, bikes and larger models (x2 landraiders, air support, speeders, Predator tanks and Rhinos/ Whirlwind launchers). To date, I have kept the infantry in a smaller GW case, and vehicles in cardboard boxes.

The size of the army meant that if I was looking at GW as an option, it had to the Crusader case. This was the largest. 

So what do I think after one month of trying to fit stuff into it?


Overall Build Quality:

Good. 
The plastic feels tough, the ribs serve to strengthen the case, and strap feels solid, with metal clips. The clasps could be bigger and chunkier, but so far I have no reason to think they are going to break or flip open unexpectedly (although the old GW cases had larger, tougher-looking clasps)

A nice touch is the little depressions around the case that help to make the unit stackable with other crusade cases.


The "Channel Foam" itself is of a good quality, but like some other foams it can rip and tear, or have parts gouged out of it.


Storage:

My first impression was that the case is a bit...small! 
That could just be compared to the Battlefoam 1520, but I was surprised at the relatively compact size. 
Width: 19" (48.5cm)
Height: 9" (23cm)
Depth: 12.5" (32cm) including the lid pins

That isn't necessarily a bad thing - for the vast majority of players a 1,500-2000 point game is probably the norm, and I think that this case should carry that number of points without any trouble. I'm not embarrassed to lug this around town on the train.

However, if your primary goal is to store large numbers of large vehicles AND infantry, a Crusade case alone may not meet you needs.

In my case (geddit?), I was able to get the following in, in varying combinations:

Top Trays: 94 models

Left: x48 infantry


  • x16 Sternguard
  • x1 Chaplain Grimaldus and x4 servitors with relics (all prone)
  • x1 Helbrecht (prone) 
  • x8 Assault marines
  • x18 Tactical Marines
Right: x46 infantry

  • x1 Chapter Master
  • x1 Standard Bearer
  • x1 Emperor's Champion
  • x10 Neophytes (Scouts)
  • x33 assorted infantry (Sword Brethren, Initiates)

Middle Trays:
Left:


  • x1 Predator (with separate turret)
  • x6 Terminators (including Chaplain)
  • x8 Bikes with separate
Right: (Airwing)
Black Templars airwing

  • x1 Stormtalon (with separate base)
  • x1 Dreadnaught
  • x4 Landspeeders with separate bases


Bottom Trays:

x2 Landraiders
OR
x1 Landraider and x2 Drop pods

(Tip: you will be better served by this case if don't glue vehicle turrets in place. I have a couple of Predators with fixed turrets and commanders. This seriously impacts the storage as the layers above won't fit on top of the lower layer properly)

x2 Landraiders

x2 Drop pods

Foam Quality

The "Channel foam" as GW calls it definitely has some pros and cons. 
The Landraider at right shows just how much this foam will flex!

On the positive side:
+ You get a LOT of flexibility, both literally and figuratively (see what I did there?). The foam is very flexible, and deforms a lot without tearing or ripping. It will mould itself neatly around your models, compress them, and keep them snug.
+ This foam takes the worry out of trying to plan and get custom foam and all the hassle that can be on vendor's websites. I have spent literally hours and hours on sites like KR Multicase and Battlefoam trying to work out what trays I need, and invariably I gave up. (NOTE: this is not always a problem with those sites - I just don't have the patience)

However, be aware that there are negatives:
For infantry in particular, you have to play around a LOT to get stuff in the way you want it. What do I mean?

- For maximum numbers of models (e.g. you want to store everything) some of them will rub against each other if you pack them in. Remember, each individual model is not completely walled-in (as you might find with custom foam or compartments.) This is especially true for infantry. 
- Packing and unpacking can be a long and finicky process. You might think it would be faster with foam that works with everything, but as you don't have a special size slot for a model working out where it will go actually takes longer!
- For maximum protection, be aware that models may still move around a fair bit. You will need to spend time making sure you get things just the way you want them to protect certain special models.

Cost performance

The Crusade case is 75.00 Pounds on the GW website (14,500 Yen or approx 80 GBP in Japan). You will find them at online retailers for around 65 GBP if you look. 

Should you buy this case? 
If you are in the market for a hard plastic case and don't want to make your own, then I think this is a reasonable price for what you are getting and seems competitive with other manufacturers. The quality is fine for everyday use, the foam works well and it will store quite a large number of figures. Other manufacturers have many more case styles and options to suit all budgets, but I don't think you can go far wrong with this.

Cheers,



Saturday, May 16, 2015

Storage Wars...results are in!

Credit: "Safe" by Will Folsom on Flikr (CC by 2.0)
I've been longing for some new miniature storage for a while now to complement my big old Battlefoam case. However every time I start researching the topic I get overwhelmed by the options or the complexity of trying to work out which foam options to go for. 
"Custom?" a hassle to work it all out...
"Pick and pluck"? Doesn't look very secure etc.

So, a few weeks ago I posted a poll on Google+ asking people to share what storage options they use for their miniatures. 

The poll system is dead easy to setup and only took a few minutes (which made it easier to understand why I see so many thousands of annoying "Which Jedi do you prefer, A or B?" polls in my stream...)

I asked:

Which miniature transport system do you use?
I'm thinking of getting a new miniature transport system. There are lots out there (more than I can include in the poll) but I'd like to know which are popular!

If your transport system isn't listed here or you'd like to comment on what system you use and why please leave a comment below. 

...below you can see the options and the results after 157 people had voted.


So, after 157 votes, the winner, at 36%, is: 
DIY/ Made it myself! 

Basically, the DIY option can be VERY cheap (literally saving you hundreds of dollars or pounds) and for most people is perfectly adequate for transporting models around to their FLGS or a friend's house.  I have DIY storage myself (see image above) and it serves fine for the most part.

I don't know why, but I was a bit surprised to see GW in second place in the poll. Sure, they have the perfect opportunity to sell cases, but I never found their cases to be anything other than serviceable (although their new cases look much better than the old ones in a "I'm on my way to a SWAT team call-out, rather than a mate's house" kind of way.) 

I have heard good things about KR, so they were definitely an option I was considering, and it was good to see they were getting some love in the poll too. I wasn't surprised to see people using Battlefoam - they have a good marketing operation and website and tons of case options.

Overall though, the results confirm that if I stay with a DIY solution I'm in good company. That's comforting, considering that I probably can't afford to splurge on a commercial solution immediately anyway!

Thanks to the 157 people who voted, and those who commented too...

...I'm off down to the "Hundred Yen Shop" to pick up some more storage!

:-)
Image: "Want some Tupperware?" by RageZ (CC by 2.0)

Saturday, April 18, 2015

Storage Wars...Miniatures Edition.

Public_Storage_Doors by Ed Chambliss
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ 

OK, I don't need that much storage...

...but I feel like I'm getting there!
  • Skaven (2,500-3,000 painted, 1,000 unpainted)
  • Black Templars (1500-2000 painted, 300 unpainted)
  • High Elves (1500 painted, 1000 unpainted)
  • Tau (3,000 points - roughly?)
  • Chaos Space Marines (750 points)
So I think it is time to consider some additional storage options. What storage options would you recommend? There are some popular options around, but should I choose one of these or continue with a homebrew option?

Here are some of the options I am familiar with (I know there are a lot more, so this is not an exhaustive list):

Battlefoam

Years ago I bought a Battlefoam Pack 1520 for my Tau and that has proved to be a great option. Lots of room and great foam, but not very easy to carry (the design has now changed).




Pros:
+ Great quality foam.
+ Some cases have hard sides for extra protection.
+ Customized foam for almost any armies.
+ Attractive, clear website.

Cons:
- Expensive/ premium prices (although a new low-cost range is now available.)
- Not a local supplier (I live in Japan)

KR Multicase

Image from:
http://www.somethingswrong.sg/2012/09/kr-multicase-kaiser-3.html 


I haven't used or bought them, but I have heard good things.
Pros:
+ I like the cardboard case + outer case approach.
+ Prices seem reasonable.
+ Customized foam options.

Cons:
- Could be just me, but I'm finding their variety of foam options bewildering...
- ...not to mention the website, which I find confusing!

Games Workshop


GW have recently changed their case designs, including an innovative kind of foam design and a wider variety of size options (Crusade, Battle and Skirmish).

Pros:
+ Foam design looks like it would be very adaptable to fit different sizes of models.
+ Reasonable cost: 75 GBP for the large size including foam seems reasonable (not that 75GBP is a small amount of money though?)
+ Quality appears reasonable.

Cons: - Does it hold enough models?
- Doesn't look like it would work for Warhammer Fantasy, where you are looking at ranked units of 50 Skaven...putting them individually could be a huge hassle!

Homebrew (DIY)




This is what I do now with all my Skaven and High Elf armies. Each box costs 100 Yen from (about 57p or 85 cents at today's exchange rates). I will stack 4-6 of these in a medium-sized suitcase to take to game days. I have about 8 of these boxes in total.

Pros:
+ Super, super cheap! Yeah, less than a pound per box is pretty good.
+ Durable. Hard, thick plastic with a durable, hard plastic lid. Doesn't flex much. 
+ Flexible. Often stack-able.
+ Widely available. (Hardware stores, 100 Yen shops etc.)
+ Good for units in movement trays. You can fit x1 -x2 movement trays inside, making game setup really easy (but consider magnetizing them before transportation!)

Cons:
- No straps. Needs to be carried in something else (holdall or suitcase).
- Difficult to secure models and stop them rattling around. No foam padding. If you are worried about your models stuff needs to be wrapped.
- Doesn't look great...

Any recommendations?
(Edit: I setup a poll on Google+ for some of the most popular options:
https://plus.google.com/+OliverBayley/posts/AcfNzK1vwJL )

+Cheers+
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